Mar 14

Restore Sagamore!

Feel free to post a question, comment, or concern regarding the Sagamore Parkway reconstruction project.  We will try to respond to posts in a timely manner.   Or if your comment is more individual, you can contact the design team directly:

 

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  1. Casey

    Thanks for having this information available.

    I just wanted to ask… Is it really necessary to reduce the speed limit to 35?!!!

    I feel that 35mph is WAY too slow for that road. When we reduced the speed limit from 45 to 40 how did that effect accidents….. Was there any reduction in fatalities?!!!!

    1. admin

      Response:

      Once Sagamore Phase 2 construction is complete, the road will be re-posted to its original 40-mph speed limit.

  2. Phil Steele

    Are there projected timelines for completing each phase of this project?

    1. admin

      Response:

      Sagamore Phase 1 has an estimated July 2017 construction completion date. Sagamore Phase 2 is on schedule for construction completion by September 2016. Sagamore Phase 3 is estimated to be constructed by December 2018.

  3. Stephen Everson

    Question for the design team – Did the design consider where snow from plowing operations would go and how much of it would cover the sidewalks? And then how would the sidewalks be cleared of snow? Especially at 1:42 in the video, there is not much room for snow to be plowed to the sides of the road…and once the snow is plowed onto the sidewalk, where is the individual/company/organization/gov’t supposed to put the snow to “reopen” the sidewalk? Or are the sidewalks shut down during the winter time?

    1. admin

      Response:

      The majority of the Sagamore Phase 2 corridor slopes toward the center of the road, to the center median rain gardens. As a result, roadway snow should also be plowed to the center. Sidewalk maintenance will be the responsibility of the adjacent property owner, in accordance with City ordinance.

  4. Kyle

    The new asphalt that appeared a few months ago made this road the smoothest it has ever been. Is it finished? Or, will it be destroyed to improve the drainage?

    1. admin

      Response:

      The asphalt overlay installed summer 2014 will be removed during the reconstruction of this section (Sagamore Phase 3). Sagamore Phase 3 is estimated to be constructed by December 2018.

  5. Kenny

    I think you need to consider some lane usage signage at the Union St intersection. SB traffic is using both the left turn lane and right turn/straight lane to go straight. Cars using the left turn lane to go straight block those that want to turn, then you have both lanes trying to merge into one. I’ve seen this at all times of day and weekends when there are only a couple of cars there.

    Some additional No Left Turn signs would be beneficial going northbound as well. Selfish people who need their McDonalds are blocking NB traffic and cause backups to 26.

    Anyway, just thought I’d throw those suggestions out there as a daily driver of that stretch.

    1. admin

      Thank you for your suggestions and informing us with what you have experienced. This information has been passed along to the field personnel for further investigation.

  6. Adam

    What is being done now? Also what can we expect for the rest of April into May? As far as construction, traffic lanes, and Business availability.

    1. admin

      The contractor is currently installing water main and storm sewer south of Union Street along Sagamore Parkway. This work will continue through May. The month of May will also include retaining wall construction north of Union, and the installation of storm sewers between the Greenbush and Union intersections.

      Starting next week, northbound lanes will be closed from South St. to just north of the railroad tracks for 3-4weeks. Northbound traffic will be detoured at South Street to Creasy Lane, and returned to Sagamore Parkway via Union Street. Motorists can access businesses on the east side of the road, between Union Street and the railroad tracks, by traveling south of Union and turning left at designated locations.

      After the closure, traffic will be split to one northbound and one southbound travel lane (Phase III of the construction phasing) to accommodate work in the median. Access will be provided to business throughout the corridor. Left turns will continue to be restricted; motorists will need to plan their route accordingly.

  7. Matt

    The stretch next to the wire company has a raised road. What is the purpose of this? Seems to be a lot of added cost.

    1. admin

      The City has entered into an Agreed Order with IDEM to reduce the overflow of raw sewage into the Wabash River over the next 20 years. Those overflows occur because in older areas of town raw sewage and storm water runoff from rain events are combined in one sewer system and the sewers are not large enough to handle all flow. That section of Sagamore Parkway drains to a combined sewer system. Raising the road allows water in large rain events to overflow to the north to a storm only treatment and pipe system rather than combine with raw sewage. Reducing flows to a combined system avoids the raw sewage overflows to the Wabash River as well as avoids the cost to pump and treat each gallon of storm water at the wastewater plant. Every rain event produces thousands and thousands of gallons of runoff. Each gallon costs approximately $2 to convey and treat. It does not take long for the project to pay for itself in avoided treatment costs. Please visit the Wet Weather page of the City’s website to learn more about the City’s plan, http://lafayette.in.gov/department/index.php?fDD=41-0

  8. Amy

    I am reading that the current road condition in front of Southwire is going to be that way through May. It doesn’t seem that it will actually be done by months end. Is there a new date for the projected end of that phase? Will the lane closures just flip flop lanes for the next phase?

    1. admin

      Per the latest schedule, traffic will be on the outside lanes until mid-July. At that time, traffic will be switched to two-way on the current southbound lanes in order to construct the northbound lanes.

  9. Joshua L

    Will both north and south roads be raised? the concrete wall in the middle seems awfully high.

    1. admin

      Thank you for your question. Only the northbound lanes, just north of Union, will be raised. We encourage you to check out the fly through video located on the Home Page for a visual of this change.

  10. Klesmiley

    Will construction be halted for the winter? When will it resume.? Is the project on schedule? Thank you.

    1. admin

      Work will be suspended between the Christmas and New Year holidays. Depending on weather, construction will resume in January working on storm sewer items, pavement removal, common excavation and subgrade treatment in the southbound lanes. The project is currently on schedule; however, a harsh winter could potentially delay the project’s completion. Project completion is expected to be end of summer 2016.

  11. Robert

    Why is Beech Rd. by Kirby Risk closed? Any idea when it will reopen? It’s become an inconvenience for Vinton Woods residents.

    1. admin

      Beech Rd. was closed in an effort to prevent Vinton Woods from becoming a detour route during construction. The road will be opened to traffic once the Railroad Company replaces the crossing at this location. This work is estimated to be completed this summer (2016).

  12. A Wiley

    What is the projected timeline of the current Union Street closure? Will there be any other closures necessary before finalization of that section of the Restore Sagamore project (specifically at Union and Sagamore)?

    1. admin

      Union St. Is scheduled to be opened back up by April 8. No further closures are planned, at Union and Sagamore, only lane restrictions. Upcoming closures on Sagamore phase 2 include the closure of Sagamore at the Home Depot RR tracks for 1 week (Scheduled to begin April 11), the closure of the west approach of Greenbush for approximately one month (beginning April 18) and the closure of Sagamore from the Home Depot drive to the Speedway gas station (scheduled to begin mid May).

  13. Nick H.

    When South bound Sagamore is closed on April 7th, will I still be able to cross sagamore at the SR 38 intersection to get on Main Street?

    1. admin

      When Sagamore Parkway southbound is closed on or after April 7, traffic will still be able to cross the SR 38/Main Street intersection, with the exception of a 3-week period of time around mid-May and another 3-week period of time later in the summer or early fall. These closures will allow for utility and storm sewer work on the Main Street approaches to Sagamore Parkway. Detour routes will be posted to this website in advance of the closures.

      During the May closure, the official detour route for traffic crossing the SR 38/Main Street intersection will be:

      · Eastbound: Turn left on Sagamore Parkway, then right on McCarty Lane, then right on Creasy Lane, then back to SR 38
      · Westbound: Turn left on Creasy Lane, then right on Sagamore Parkway, then back to Main Street

      Additionally, McCarty Lane will be limited to only eastbound local traffic between Main Street and Sagamore Parkway throughout the entire duration of the southbound Sagamore Parkway detour, which is why it is not being proposed for a detour route during the Main Street closure.

  14. Andy F

    How about McCarty? Will that crossing remain open?

    1. admin

      McCarty Lane will be one lane eastbound local traffic only (effectively closed) for the duration of the project between Main Street and Sagamore Parkway.

      East of Sagamore Pkwy, McCarty Lane will be open to two-way traffic until later this summer or early fall, when it will be reduced to only a single eastbound lane for approximately 45 days.

  15. Michael

    How long will the intersection of Sagamore Parkway and McCarty Lane be closed to through traffic going from McCarty down to Main Street? I was wondering how long I need to avoid this route since I regularly take it.

    1. admin

      If possible, you may wish to find an alternate route until the end of the 2016 construction season. Here’s a rough schedule of the closures and/or restrictions to occur through Fall 2016:

      – Sagamore Parkway will be CLOSED in the southbound direction between Kossuth St and Teal Rd through Fall 2016.
      – McCarty Lane will be RESTRICTED to one eastbound LOCAL TRAFFIC ONLY lane between Main Street and Sagamore Parkway through Fall 2016
      – The east approach of Main Street will be CLOSED for three weeks beginning in May. Additional signage and detour maps will be provided prior to this closure.
      – The east approach of McCarty Lane will be RESTRICTED to one eastbound lane east of Sagamore Parkway for 1.5 months beginning in early to mid-summer 2016. This restriction will not happen until after the east approach of Main Street is re-opened. Additional signage and detour maps will be provided prior to this restriction.
      – The west approach of Main Street will be CLOSED for three weeks beginning in the late summer 2016. Additional signage and detour maps will be provided prior to this closure.

  16. Pat Corey

    How do you get to Fast Eddies car wash?

    1. admin

      We encourage you to visit our detour map page for the latest information on closures and current detour routes. To access Fast Eddies this week (due to the Railroad’s closure) plan a route from the north (i.e. Union St., Greenbush St., etc.) and head south on Sagamore Parkway.

  17. Steve

    This is a very important project and needs to be done. Why can’t the work be done with longer hours and in the evening to lessen the downtime of this important corridor of the city?

    1. admin

      Thank you for your question. Consideration of construction schedules is a balance of safety, cost, and efficiency. We agree that this project needed to be done and are glad (now that it is a local road) the City has the authority to restore it. When Sagamore was relinquished, the City was given a fixed amount of money to maintain and repair the road. We are trying to stretch those dollars and provide the City a better product to include: increased pavement reconstruction on major side streets thereby increasing intersection capacity, trail connections and safe pedestrian crossings to connect east Lafayette to downtown, decorative street lighting, landscaping and trees, water main reconstruction to failing sections of mains, and sewer reconstruction to reduce the amount of flow to the Combined Sewer Overflows. Longer hours and nighttime work come at a higher cost, from the Contractor, their subs and their suppliers.

  18. Jill Pritchard

    With the southbound closure from Union to Teal Rd, how long will the closure be AND will businesses on the west side be accessible from sagamore?

    1. admin

      Between Kossuth Street and Teal Road, Sagamore Parkway will be restricted to northbound traffic only from now until Fall 2016. Businesses on both the east and west side of Sagamore Parkway will be accessible at all times throughout construction.

  19. Jeff

    Since we are now into the month of May. When will in intersection of 38/Main St. & 52 be closed and for how long?

    1. admin

      Beginning Monday May 9th, the east approach of SR 38 will be closed for approximately 3 weeks. During this 3 week period, Sagamore Parkway will remain open to northbound traffic, and the west approach of Main Street will remain open to eastbound and westbound traffic.

  20. Mike

    Could someone please explain to me why it seems as though areas of construction are up for so long? It appears that long stretches of time go by once a project begins where there is no work being done. If a section of road were to be worked on from start to finish, I would imagine the areas in question would only be closed for maybe half as long. Instead, it looks as though the cones/barrels go out, the road gets torn up, and then it sits for weeks or months while crews work in different areas. Why not just do a section at a time?

    1. admin

      Larger construction projects require several specialized crews and subcontractors to perform operations to build the road. Many times these operations cannot be done at the same time in the same area – one operation must be done before the next begins. This means one crew could be laying pipe on the south end, while a concrete crew could be pouring drives on the north end. The contractor has to schedule these crews to work on multiple projects throughout the construction season and they have to move in and out of a project depending on when they can begin work there, weather delays, equipment breakdowns, scheduling conflicts, etc. The more area the contractor has available to them to work at one time when they start an operation, the more efficient they can be. The more sections a project is broken down into, the more times the crews have to be scheduled to move in and out of the project – and ultimately the higher the cost to build the project.

      Additionally, safely maintaining traffic during construction is a large consideration. We try to establish the major traffic patterns that can be maintained for sustained periods of time, rather than changing them every couple of days and creating more confusion to the traveling public.

      1. Mike

        While I’m still not thrilled that it means that roads are made one-lane or closed off altogether for longer, that makes sense. Is there just one of each specialized crew, then? Also, how is it decided which construction sites take priority? Are higher-traffic areas considered important to get done as quickly as possible, or are work hours for those (as well as considering which type of crew they’re ready for) scheduled to be done mainly during off-hours when there would be less potential hazard to the workers?

        1. admin

          The Contractor is responsible for coordinating and determining how many specialized crews and subs are necessary at any given time. It is everyone’s goal to get constructions zones and closures opened as soon as possible.
          We hope that this information can help with your understanding of the construction process going forward.

  21. Rebecca

    Will there be a crosswalk at the Sagamore Parkway and Greenbush intersection?

    1. admin

      Yes; In an effort to connect existing sidewalks and trails, there will be a crosswalk on the west side of the intersection to cross Greenbush St. and on the south side of the intersection to cross Sagamore Pkwy.

  22. Christian

    When will the entire (phases) project be finished by?? mm/dd/yy

    1. admin

      At this time, Sagamore Parkway, from Teal Road to Greenbush Street is estimated to be constructed by December 2018.
      Sagamore Phase 2: South St. to Greenbush St. is anticipated to be completed by THIS fall, September 2016. (Yay!)
      Sagamore Phase 1: Teal Rd. to National Dr. is anticipated to be completed by July 2017.
      Sagamore Phase 3: National Dr. to South St. is anticipated to start construction spring 2017, with an estimated construction completion date of December 2018.

  23. Bradley Dilger

    Hi folks, can you all say more about the sidewalks, bicycle paths, and multi-use trails which will be included along Sagamore Parkway? I’m glad to see sidewalks, but there are plenty of places where wider trails could easily be included, and I’m wondering what’s planned.

    1. admin

      Thank you for your question. The Sagamore Parkway project is designed to comply with the City’s Master Bike & Pedestrian Plan: http://www.lafayettebikeandped.com/ The Bike & Pedestrian plan was developed through public surveys, open houses, public forums, and input from various committees comprised of local leaders of the healthcare, schools, bicycle, running, public transportation, etc. communities in the Greater Lafayette area. The Bike & Pedestrian considered safety, need, connectivity, costs, available Right-of-Way, to name a few. As a result, it was determined that sidewalk will be along both sides of Sagamore Parkway from Greenbush St. to Teal Rd. There will be a section of trail along the west side of Sagamore, south of Greenbush, which will run beside the new detention pond and connect into the bike lanes planned for Earl Ave. and Union St. Also, per the Master Bike & Pedestrian Plan, the major intersections of Sagamore will include median refuge islands to cross Sagamore Pkwy.

  24. Amber

    What is the timeline for Phase 2 to be completed? It looks so close to being done.

    1. admin

      You are correct; Sagamore Phase 2 is almost done (Yay!). It is anticipated to be completed by THIS fall, September 2016.

  25. bill burkhart

    when will kossuth to south st project begin??…how long to last??

    1. admin

      Thank you for your inquiry. Sagamore Phase 3, from National Dr. to South St., is anticipated to start construction spring 2017. The construction completion date is currently estimated to be December 2018.

  26. Michelle

    I am just wondering when the Sagamore Railroad crossing is scheduled to reopen.

    1. admin

      The Sagamore Parkway closure, located at the Railroad tracks, will be OPENED on or before Wednesday, June 22nd. Thank you for your patience during this closure.

  27. Viki

    As of today, July 12, can I drive north on Sagamore to Schuyler without any closures?
    Thank you for your reply.
    The restoration looks great and I am glad to see the walking/biking paths!

    1. admin

      Yes; there are lane restrictions, but no closures. Thank you for your question and your kind feedback.

  28. Brandi Carden

    How long will the Sagamore Parkway and State Road 38 intersection be closed? I went to work one morning that route and when I went home that night it was closed, with no warning or information of the closing. When will it reopen?

    1. admin

      The west leg of the Sagamore Parkway and Main Street (SR 38) intersection is scheduled to be closed for approximately three weeks, beginning on August 2.

      We strive to provide adequate advance warning of closures and traffic restrictions to drivers via multiple media outlets. Beginning two weeks prior to this closure, it was announced on the news and in the newspaper. It was also posted to the project website at the same time. Detour route maps were posted to the website and in the newspaper, as well as handed out to all businesses within the project limits.

      Please continue to visit the project website for updates on future restrictions and traffic pattern changes.

  29. Gary Gant

    My question has to do with the the street lights. Wha is the clear tubing in the center for? The last couple of day i have noticed that a couple of them across from Lewis Motors appeared to be light up. One night they were blue and the next they were green.

    1. admin

      The tubes in the pole will serve as decorative light, with the ability to change colors (as you witnessed). The City can use these poles to promote events and holidays, while creating a unique and inviting look to this important roadway and its businesses. Thank you for your question and your interest in this project.

      1. Logan

        The lights are a distraction. They are at a level where they blend with the traffic signals making those important lights less visible, especially when the decorative lights are showing a hue that is close to the color of the traffic signals.

        1. admin

          Thank you for your comment. We have received others like it, and will take this feedback into consideration when selecting colors in the future. The purpose of the colored light tubes is to be a conversation piece, artwork, and an attraction to the corridor; but safety of our public remains our top priority. At this time, we are still working through some installation issues, which have resulted in a range of colors.

  30. Deb Weber

    Will the railroad crossing at 26 at the Post Office be reconstructed to rectify the horrible impact our tires make when heading westbound? Also the RR crossing at State Street by Steak N Shake has spots that stick up and that look as if they have been uprooted somehow. thanks

    1. admin

      Thank you for your comment and interest in the project. One of the goals of the project is to improve the ride quality of the road. The intersection of South St and Sagamore Pkwy will be reconstructed, and has been designed for a smoother crossing. In addition, thank you for your observation regarding the RxR tracks. We have seen your concern, and will improve this RxR crossing within the project scheduled for this year.

  31. Ray Beckefeld

    I have a question where trees are planted so close to the road by the Eastway Plaza and the old Essex building after union toward Greenbush Street The trees are planted so close to the road don’t they expect these to have branches coming out into the road and between two concrete sidewalk and the curb will it not push this concrete up from the roots. I heard the city was trying to make a business pay $8000 for two trees that they pruned . I’m sure the city was charged ungodly amount for these trees that should not be there in the first place . That will have to be taken out after they grow probably two years . It’s OK to beautify but the road should be the main purpose of road construction . Look what happened when a car took out two of the new light poles and ended up on top of the wall already. Why put more obstacles for people to hit so close to the road . Just my opinion

    1. admin

      While trees can be an obstacle, similar to street signs, fire hydrants, light poles, etc., they too serve positive purposes. The shade which trees provide helps preserve and prolong pavement life. In addition, they create safer walking environments by creating a more visible buffer. There have also been studies that reflect increased business and added property value on tree-scaped streets (they help with esthetics).

      City projects consider the proximity to the road, the type of adjacent road, how much space the tree has to grow, location of overhead power lines, and salt tolerance when determining the selected tree species. They are then spaced and planted in compliance with the City Ordinance. While the species selected along Sagamore are ones that grow narrow or tall enough that branches would clear traffic, the City will be responsible for trimming any unexpected street obstructions. Similarly, while the species selected have deep root systems, should an errant root heave the adjacent sidewalk the City will be responsible to repair the walkway to comply with accessibility standards.

  32. Logan

    Why is there going to be a crosswalk in the middle of the block? That will only cause more traffic congestion and it gives pedestrians the impression that crossing the street in the middle of a block is acceptable when we should be persuading them to cross at intersections where it’s safer.

    Also, it’s not related to Sagamore specifically, but what’s with all of the new flashing yellow left turn arrows? The fixtures have more bulbs and must require more programming and then there is a sign needed as well to explain what the arrow means. Meanwhile, everyone already knows what a green circle in a left turn lane means; they had to know that in order to get their license. If there is any concern about confusion, maybe from drivers from out of state or something, wouldn’t it have been cheaper to just make the sign to explain the green circle rather than making a new light and a sign?

    1. admin

      The City considers the public safety of their motorists, bicyclists, transit users and pedestrians with every project. Sagamore is no longer a public highway, and is being restored to attract more patrons by car, bike, bus and foot, in compliance with their Master Bike & Ped Plan. City Bus will be adding a bus stop to the center of the block (between South St. and Kossuth St.), to accommodate the employees of the many businesses along the corridor. As a result, a HAWK pedestrian signal will be added at this proposed bus stop location. The signal will provide minimal disruption to traffic by only operating when a pedestrian is present, and will improve the safety of all at this designated crossing.

      The left turn arrow signal heads are being phased out (throughout the state of Indiana and throughout the country), to be replaced with the flashing yellow arrow signal heads. The flashing yellow arrow is known to minimize delay for motorists and enhance safety by reducing driver error.

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